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JSStryker
22nd Jan 2018, 12:30 PM

When a master with the bow says "MOVE" you get the heck out of the way! Besides I think Liri has a better claim on his life.

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DizzasterJuice
22nd Jan 2018, 1:19 PM

I know right. She's the one he almost tortured to death. But I think Eloma took it harder psychologically.

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robnot
22nd Jan 2018, 7:54 PM

.. yes Eloma has it harder.. when it's done to you ,, it just hurts.. but when you are forced to watch,, it hurts 3 times as much.!!!
an as a archer i wood move around an wound him.. give that distraction to let the other kill him..!!

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megados
22nd Jan 2018, 8:12 PM

Wow I finally caught up! Great story going here - it's got everything, good world building, character development, plot twists, intrigue, it's all here! Kudos!

Yes, Eloma, get outta the way!

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DizzasterJuice
23rd Jan 2018, 9:57 PM

Thank you very much!

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StellarJay
23rd Jan 2018, 4:34 AM

When you have a sword and your opponent has a sword and shield, you are at a huge disadvantage. Eloma has lost reason.

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Steve O
23rd Jan 2018, 9:31 AM

Eloma is really in a bad position in the last frame. She's wide open with her sword arm not in any position to block and Valerius' sword is in the perfect position to skewer her.

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Zanquis
23rd Jan 2018, 7:05 AM

Ahh poor judgement call that might end up wrong. Was afraid of it, before you go 1 on 1 with someone who is most likely a skilled warrior (otherwise you do not rise to that position of power) always use every advantage you have. It would hve been wiser to knock/injure him while still on horse before trying to fight him fair.

He doesn't deserve a fair fight, you can just injure him severly and slowly torture him.

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robnot
26th Jan 2018, 11:57 AM

no such thing as a fair fight... but just a reminder Eloma is a expert sword woman (trained by wife) and Chief Adjudicator..
she may not be a military commander but she does know her way with that sword.!

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robnot
23rd Jan 2018, 1:06 PM

also,,, Eloma is in a Great position.!!!
look where her sword point is.! aaannnddd she has a long sword (bastard sword) he has a gladius (short sword),, all she has to do is turn (twist) into him,, he has to turn and step into her...

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megados
25th Jan 2018, 4:55 PM

I agree here for the reasons you mention, plus two more: First, he is rotating clockwise with his attempted shield-bash. The momentum is going to carry him through, so Eloma has time before he recovers. Second, he has flattened his shield, which was an unfortunate thing to do, because it does not protect him until he recovers, but also if he had not done that, he not only would have hit Eloma, he could have possibly knocked her into Liri, taking her off balance too.

Yes, Eloma is in a good position, and seems to be in a good balance point to react quickly.

That brings us to now. Really, I think, the best move for Eloma to make right now, would be to drop straight down. It would draw his attention downward, and maybe bring his left arm with it. Liri could take him out a lot faster, and minimize a chance for Eloma to be struck by him, or Liri's arrow.

This is probably not how it's gonna go down though. >_<

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DizzasterJuice
25th Jan 2018, 7:56 PM

And that shield is about a 1/2" thick solid bronze so it weighs a ton.

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megados
26th Jan 2018, 4:34 PM

That is considerably heavier than I was thinking, but that helps to make the case that he missed her/she ducked, otherwise I think she'd have been shifted over quite a bit from the blow.

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DizzasterJuice
26th Jan 2018, 5:37 PM

Yeah, she ducked it.

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Garanhir
23rd Jan 2018, 2:40 PM

Look at their legs! She's totally off balance & at the best might manage a wild swing which his body armor would easily block. On the other hand, he's in perfect position for a deadly gut-stab.

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DizzasterJuice
23rd Jan 2018, 9:56 PM

So I should do something completely unexpected? Got it. lol

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Steve O
24th Jan 2018, 9:09 AM

How about killing another main character? You're behind on your count ;)

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Garanhir
24th Jan 2018, 8:06 PM

An ACME brand 1000 lb anvil lands on his head!

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JSStryker
25th Jan 2018, 1:58 AM

The gunship should appear out of the blue and Mitri should vaporized him with a burst of cannon fire!

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robnot
25th Jan 2018, 11:18 AM

ok,,, do any of you really sword fight..?? or are you just talking from martial arts.. cuz from that position all she has to do is twist, the point of her sword is basically in his arm pit,"no armor" ,, he on the other hand is 90 degrees out with a short weapon,, he still has to turn an step in, to do any thing..
and,, Just FYI ,, i do this twice a week with live (real) steel... so i do have real perspective on what will happen,,an how...

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oldarmourer
25th Jan 2018, 5:17 PM

bingo...in one armpit, out the other, 'topping' both lungs and probably clipping the aorta in the process...or angled down a tad to skewer the heart..either way the pain is probably going to freeze him in his tracks.

armpits (oxters), thighs, backs of the knees, any exposed area with access to large blood vessels, tendons, or major muscles are viable targets, hand-to-hand bladed combat is a quick and dirty business and anything goes, unlike the stylized formality of a TV or movie 'chivalrous' duel...

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Steve O
26th Jan 2018, 11:15 AM

Actually, I do sword fight, although I practice iaido which does not use a shield.

With one hand, it's not that easy (or that quick) to get a long sword from an out stretched position like she's in to a position to tsuki (stab). Also, there's not a lot of strength in a fully extended arm. She might get in an inch or two but the likely hood of a killing blow is minimal. A proper tsuki comes from the core and a fully extended arm just doesn't connect to it. Better off to go for the flat cut.

If I was in her position, I'd move to the right and back and to try to allow his momentum to give me his back. Remember, a long sword doesn't maneuver well in close like his shorter weapon does so she needs space (better ma-ai).

If she gets behind him, his helmet and body armor reduce the possibility of a killing blow, but there is a good chance she could disable or even remove his sword arm which would end the fight.

Remember, he's not going to just stand there and wait to be killed. He'll allow his momentum to carry him on around and slash with his sword as he finishes the turn.

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oldarmourer
26th Jan 2018, 3:40 PM

I'm thinking she practices "kill any way you can" instead of a rehearsed kata based routine and even at the risk of cutting her hand I doubt she'd be past 'half-swording' to use it as a spear to slip right along the top of that handy ribcage that would guide the blade neatly across his lungs, windpipe, ascending aorta and the various other bits and pieces that make a shot to the upper chest or neck particularly nasty, there's just so much going on there it's hard to miss everything...and the arrow to the eyeball that's coming might make him flinch long enough for her to get away with it...even if it just smacks him in the helmet.

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Steve O
26th Jan 2018, 4:32 PM

You're still assuming she'll have the strength to make that cut with her body angle. It's not easy to cram a sword through flesh no matter how sharp it is. Her sword would have been notched from the block and the edge would have rolled from hitting his shield.

Like I say, an inch or two maybe, but no way would she "let the air out him", not without getting her body behind it.

We spend plenty of time swinging boken at each other. We don't use live steel like Robnot because if you're really fighting and not pulling each swing (dojo ma-ai) 1. It bends the crap out of swords and wrecks the edges 2. The class size drops very quickly.

Try hanging a pork shoulder and attempting to do that tsuki from the angle she's on. Humans are only soft on a relative basis as compared to steel or rock. To make it more real, start it swinging on a line before you come from her position to tsuki.

Also consider that he has a lot of angular momentum. That's going to tend to make the tsuki pull out before it could penetrate deeply.

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oldarmourer
28th Jan 2018, 5:00 PM

you're not trying to hack through a shoulder in that movement, if anything the shoulder will be what guides the blade to the space between the rib cage and the collar bone where there's very little muscle or even flesh to stop it and once past that it's 90% air...which the very sharp, very thin, unnotched tip of a lozenge or maybe diamond shaped blade that is designed to slip through with the least cross-sectional resistance in a thrust, unlike a katana that's more like a long hatchet than a sword and while fairly strong, is also very thick with a chisel point and is much less suited for piercing and is not what she's using anyway so is is invalid in determining what to do, the styles are completely and radically different. Then again she might just slash the underside of his armpit, slicing the tendons and making his shield arm instantly useless, unable to hold up that "1/2" of solid bronze" and letting it fall blocking his sword arm on the way down.

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bad helmet

CasaDelGato
25th Jan 2018, 11:46 AM

That helmet looks like it is perfectly designed to deflect a sword blow - to neatly cut off the end of his muzzle.

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Garanhir
26th Jan 2018, 11:59 AM

You can only tell so much from a static picture. For instance, did she just take a blow to her head from that shield, or did she manage to duck it? That would determine both her ability to make her next move, and the direction her body's momentum is carrying her in. (and, yes, I do sword fight!)

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