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DizzasterJuice
20th Nov 2017, 6:52 PM

Update Monday 11/20: I'm again struggling with another complicated scene with a ton of actors but I'll have it finished on or before Thanksgiving day. Sorry for the delay.

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Jan
13th Nov 2017, 12:38 PM

good order in the ranks will they get some airsupport?

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Air support in a forested zone

TomHCinMI
13th Nov 2017, 2:09 PM

How much would the fully-leafed-out trees of the forest interfere with air-support? Those trees are not the tallest I've ever seen; nor is that forest the thickest growth; but it's probably tall enough and thick enough that, anyone requesting or providing air support should at least ask.

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DizzasterJuice
13th Nov 2017, 3:04 PM

You won't get to see the air support until later.

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About the female archers in combat

TomHCinMI
13th Nov 2017, 2:05 PM

The ancient Amazons (assuming their legend was based on reality) seemed to think that being well-endowed mammarily would interfere with an archer's effectiveness in combat. Is that true? --- This comics felinoid warriors have bodies that are humanoid pretty much from the neck to the hips; meaning the women have breasts, most of them non-negligible breasts. Should/do they (or at least the better-endowed among them) cut one off? Or use a crossbow or atlatl or some other missile weapon than a longbow? --- This is not meant to imply I''m not enjoying the comic; rather I'm a typical Trekkie getting into the facts of a story I'm enjoying very much!

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DizzasterJuice
13th Nov 2017, 3:05 PM

If you notice, the stance of the female archers is different from the male archers. They have to face the target just a bit more and keep a neutral foot position (toes in line with the target) and chest back a bit.

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TomHCinMI
14th Nov 2017, 1:28 AM

Thanks! I guess I did see that.

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DizzasterJuice
14th Nov 2017, 1:25 PM

Most of the Daz/Poser archery stuff is done by people who have never done archery, so most of it is inaccurate. The bows don't have arrow rests, the arrows have 4 fletchings when they should have 3, and the poses are terrible. So as an experienced bow hunter, the least I can do is make accurate poses.

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TomHCinMI
14th Nov 2017, 1:31 PM

And I for one thank you for it. I also notice the command to let fly is "Loose!" instead of "Fire!" -- another bit of accuracy. It always bothers me when people say "Fire" instead of "Let fly" or some such -- unless the arrows or bolts are actually on fire, and even then ...

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DizzasterJuice
14th Nov 2017, 2:04 PM

I'm pretty sure that the command "fire" originated with matchlocks or cannons from the age. The shooter carried a lit wick that he touched to the breech touch-hole to ignite it.

I believe "loose" was the command used by English longbowmen and "release" for siege weapons like a trebuchet.

But i wasn't around then so I may be wrong. =)

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knuut
20th Nov 2017, 3:53 PM

The original command of 'fire' was 'give fire' which is even more suggestive.

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oldarmourer
14th Nov 2017, 11:35 PM

not exactly 'miniscule'....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RGnujlkI


neither are these ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn0PbYN6UJY


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DizzasterJuice
15th Nov 2017, 12:00 AM

That speed shooter girl is awesome!

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TomHCinMI
15th Nov 2017, 1:53 PM

I also was very impressed; especially with the walking archer who hit the target every time.

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oldarmourer
16th Nov 2017, 7:43 PM

depending on the style of bow and the draw, particularly a Mongolian recurve shortbow with a heckuva draw weight, the bowstring doesn't need to come close to a woman's breasts let alone 'hit them', the old story about amazons removing one to shoot better is just that, a story...

http://thechive.com/2017/05/23/pull-and-release-with-some-archery-girls-56-photos/

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TomHCinMI
17th Nov 2017, 12:05 PM

Those bows do look recurved -- are they doubly-recurved (like Mongolian bows)? I can't tell from looking.
OTOH they don't look like compound bows. Are they? or would you have to look closer to tell?
....
thanks for the URL; I'll look.

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TomHCinMI
17th Nov 2017, 12:12 PM

Mongols drew their bows with their thumbs (protected by a thumb-ring made of horn). The Olympic archers, and the women in TheChive photos, draw them with a device that I don't know the name of. I can't tell how Dizzasterjuice's models are drawing their bowstrings.

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knuut
20th Nov 2017, 8:45 PM

Both the Mongols and the Koreans used very short composite bows with very long draws. The combination seems to allow women to shoot from a normal stance with no special accommodations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5jLMOzsClQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxrW_ystTuI

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TomHCinMI
17th Nov 2017, 12:20 PM

Some of the TheChive archeresses are using a Mediterranean "grip"; the one most modern Americans would be most familiar with. Is that maybe the grip the Dalai archers are using? -- Am I obsessing too much over the archery? Maybe someone who actually knows something about, for instance, strategy or tactics or fortifications could re-direct to some other obsession.

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knuut
20th Nov 2017, 5:59 PM

On the previous page (363 top frame) at least one of the female Dalai archers is wearing what certainly looks like a thumb shooters glove. Unfortunately we can't see her draw hand on this page so we don't know for sure.

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DizzasterJuice
20th Nov 2017, 6:49 PM

Go back a few pages and you can see the draw.
Modern bow strings have a peep sight made into the string itself so the string is drawn to the eye, but most of the art I've seen of longbows of the time shows the string overdrawn to the jaw.

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oldarmourer
16th Nov 2017, 7:50 PM

of course, the Dalai archers' bowstrings could always get snagged on the buckles and ornaments on those leather breastplates...best to lose them ;)

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Steve O
17th Nov 2017, 10:21 AM

Sounds like a voting incentive to me.

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DizzasterJuice
20th Nov 2017, 6:53 PM

You got it. I need a new voting incentive anyway.

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oldarmourer
24th Nov 2017, 6:01 PM

well, if it's an 'incentive' to vote then it should be different each time you vote, shouldn't it ? of course we'd never hold you to that, but even old discarded sketches or cropped single frames from strips that didn't quite make it are well worth looking at, I'm sure you've got folders full of things we non-artists would love to see :)

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